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Comments of the Day: The Non-Equivalency of Violence on the Left and Right in Charlottesville

2017-08-16

These comments were in response to a New York Times article on Don the Con’s news conference on August 15, 2017, in which he blamed both sides equally for the violence in Charlottesville and failed to denounce the racist and fascist protesters (who came armed with shields, helmets, clubs, poles, pepper spray, and other arms suitable to street brawls, and which they used liberally) who provoked a negative reaction among the residents of the town and some “antifa” counter-protesters (a few of them came armed with long rifles but didn’t use them.)

old norseman

Red State in the Old West 2 hours ago

Yeah, right. Sorry, but the radical right is using as tactics the equivalent of shouting “Fire!” in a crowded theater to deliberately stir up controversy. This is not a “both sides do it” moment.

Alan Wallach

Washington, DC 2 hours ago

In 1927 Trump’s father, Fred, marched with the KKK. In 1973, after numerous complaints the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ investigated Fred Trump for violating the fair housing act. The apple doesn’t fall very far from the tree. Donald, schooled by Fred and Roy Cohn (formerly Senator Joseph McCarthy’s right hand man), has built his political career on racism. Yesterday’s rant was from the heart. Trump is not the first overtly racist president of modern times–that honor belongs to Woodrow Wilson–but he is without a doubt the US’s first alt-right president.

BrooklynNtheHouse

Brooklyn, NY 5 hours ago

I’m troubled by the fact that no one is publicly connecting the dots in the likely trajectory of this escalating conflict between the malignant fantasy world of Donald Trump and the modern world. Trump gets a warm and fuzzy feeling from the support he receives from racists with guns. It is not a huge leap of the imagination to picture Trump calling these miscreants to arms when the hammer finally comes down on his presidency. He knows everything that Mueller has and more because he’s done every deed that’s being investigated. He was there. We would be kidding ourselves to imagine Trump will go quietly. I hope the GOP can pan back and take a comprehensive view of what is really happening here.

Judy

Greenville SC 5 hours ago

I wake up this morning and cry for my country. I am a veteran, my husband is a veteran, my father is a veteran and my nephew is on his way to Jordan to once again fight for our country. I am not to be put in a, “left wing” box because I believe the President and many Republicans are ruining our country. They are degrading our strength of diversity. Our strength is in all our people. Women who help make strong families, are endless caregivers to our youth and old and yes to our country as patriots. Our strength is in our people of many colors and sexual orientation as they work to be part of our nation’s strength. Our strength is in our hearts that want to build and not destroy. What makes us weak is divisions in the infrastructure of our goodness and our compassion.
We have allowed the worst of who we are to now lead our country. We have allowed the worst of who we are to try to push in health care that hurts instead of helps. We have allowed the worst of who we are to make policy behind closed doors without women or those of color in the room. Really! Is the worst of who we are, these terrible white men? Are they our weakness? I do not believe this to be true, yet they are looking like the worst of who we are? Are they becoming our weakness instead of our strength? Is the only way they feel empowered to oppress? Is the only way they feel empowered to take guns and torches and threaten those who love peace. From the President down, this is disgusting.

Greek Goddess

Merritt Island, Florida 4 hours ago

Trump has succeeded in bringing the United States to the brink of international war and civil war at the same time.

 

David Meli

Clarence 2 hours ago

Even Gandhi argued limits to non-violence, it should never be the first course of action, But what you are missing is the moral difference between the two sides. Nazis and the KKK are inherently un-American. It is the duty of every American to oppose their ideology. By creating a moral equivalency he has given legitimacy to these un-American ideals and by default suggest they have a place in our national dialog. Shame! Booth may have assassinated Lincoln, but trump just assassinated the party of Lincoln.

  • In Reply to Richard Luettgen

 

Siebolt Frieswyk ‘Sid’

Topeka, KS 2 hours ago

Let us be plain spoken. This is our Nation where antisemitism thrives as does racial bigotry. Violence is vaunted in a massive military force that surpasses all in the history of civilization. We are also a Nation that sustains wildly partisan support for a sport that slowly kills its players by irremediably destroying their brains. Blunt force trauma is inflicted in moments of intense violence. Wild cheering and boos for the ‘losers’ follow. Who are we? Why are we this way? We sustain unending bigotry and abandon our children to inner city chaos and violence. Failed city services and corrupted law enforcement target minorities without remediation. A bit less than half of American voters chose a man who has all the attributes of a tyrant. He acts in grotesque ways to awaken the hopes of our enemies and destroys treasured alliances we have built after two murderous World Wars. He is making it possible for us to be discarded in the rubbish heap of history as a failed democracy. Rise up America! Ask yourselves can we really say, “I’m proud to be an American where at least I know I’m free…’cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land. God Bless the USA.” We need to speak up and get out there to declare we are NOT happy with a president who revives the animus of our hideous Civil War and its inspiration in slavery and bigotry. We are a Nation where democracy, equity, equality and opportunity are fostered throughout our land. Be proud. Be an American who loves the USA!

Ana Luisa

Belgium 4 hours ago

Here’s why you couldn’t be more wrong:

  1. Studies show that during the last 10 years, 74% of all casualties of extremist violence in the US were the result of right-wing extremists, 24% of Muslim extremists, and 2% of left-wing extremists. So yes, it would have been VERY surprising of the terrorist attack of Saturday would have been perpetrated by the radical left (apart from the fact that there are ten times as many right-wing extremists in the US today as there are left-wing extremists).
  2. One side fought for publicly celebrating a General who killed white Americans and almost destroyed the country only in order to keep slavery as a legal system, the other side fought for no longer publicly celebrating people whose behavior is explicitly contradicted by the Constitution. There’s NO “moral equivalency” between both ideologies here.

  3. One side exists because it wants to fight racism and discrimination, and doing so through peaceful and democratic means. The other side exists because it wants to use force in order to change America into a white supremacist, neo-Nazi, anti-semite nation. So there’s absolutely NO “moral equivalency” between what causes both sides to exist either.

(see part 2 for the other arguments)

Ana Luisa

Belgium 2 hours ago

@ Paul Daley (part 2)

  1. If you believe that giving “time and publicity” may strongly increase the number of extremists on any given side, as well as the violence used by them, I hope you understand that this is what Trump has done for days in a row now … for the right-wing extremists, who are already responsible for most extremist terrorism in this country. Why do you think that was a wise choice?
  2. EVEN when you take a look at extremist domestic terrorism for the last half a century, it’s right-wing extremists who are BY FAR most responsible for killings (12 times as many) and injuries (36 times as many).

  3. If you fear “vigilante groups” on our streets, I suppose you’ll explicitly reject the tactics of the far-right (being better armed than even the police COULD be, as the Charlottesville police declared) much more strongly than those of the “other side”, who only used shields and pepper spray … ?

  4. Right-wing extremists killed an American and injured 20 others in what the U.S. Attorney General called a “terrorism attack”, left-wing extremist did NOTHING comparable.

Conclusion: there’s no “moral equivalency” WHATSOEVER, and the president only created more division, strongly hurt the victims of this heinous crime and all Jews and African-Americans in this country, and clearly encouraged white supremacists, the KKK and neo-Nazis to take the weapons and hateful rhetoric more often to our streets, as they themselves explicitly and happily stated.

That’s SO wrong.

 

 

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